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#1 samdoman

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 02:47 PM

I'm going to try and explain how i build a wheel. I'm pretty good at the wheelbuilding part but i'm crap at explaining myself so if you have any questions, feel free to ask!
Here it goes...

What you need
Obviously you wil need:
-a hub
-a rim (with the same number of holes as your hub)
-enough spokes to fill the holes (I put a smear of purple grease on the threads of each spoke)(never re-use spokes!)
-atleast as many nipples as you have spokes! (i only have gay, red ones )
-a decent spoke key (buy one if you dont already own one, cheap ones mash the nipples!)

As most of us don't have a truing stand at home, I'll show you how to build a wheel that doesn't need too much truing!

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Step 1
Some people like to thread all the inbound spokes into the first flange at this point, but I find it less fiddly to do them one at a time.
Start with the inbound spokes (laced into the flange from the outside), the first spoke should  go into the spoke hole next to the valve hole.
Work round the rim, the inbound spokes from the first flange should fill every fourth hole in the rim and every second hole in the flange.

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Once the inbound spokes are all laced up for the first side of the wheel, you will be left with something looking like this:

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Because we're building a wheel that needs minimal truing, I'm turning the nipples all on the same amount; just enough to cover all the thread of the spoke.

Step 2
The next step is the outbound spokes on the first side of the flange.
This guide is for building a 3 cross wheel, so the spokes cross eachother 3 times in an "over, over, under" pattern.

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Carry this on round the whole rim until all the holes in the first side of the flange are filled and and every other hole in the rim is filled.
Don't forget to screw all the nipples on the same amount! This will mean much less truing is needed later on.

When step 2 is complete, you should be left with a wheel looking something like this:

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it will not be dished centrally on the hub, it wil look like this from above:
(note the way the nipples are sticking out beyond the rim)

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Step 3
Repeat the same lacing technique used in steps 1 and 2, on the second flange. make sure you are taking the correct spoke from the right hole in the flange to it's coresponding rim hole.
Don't forget to wind al the nipples on the same amount!

When you have finished this, the wheel will look reasonably complete:

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Step 4
The spokes will all be loose at this stage, they will have a lot of flex in them:

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What you need to do to tension all the spokes out is, starting at the valve hole and working clockwise round the rim, put one complete turn on each nipple with your spoke key.
Go round the rim as many times as you have to, to get the right amount of tension in the spokes, but make sure you're giving each spoke the same amount of tension!
Once the tension feels about right, go round and check for any exceptionally loose or tight spokes and sort them out.
It's really important the spokes arent bar-tight (this snaps them) but they must not flex more than about 2-3mm.

Step 5
Stick the wheel in your forks and give it a slow spin, it shouldn't have too much wobble or up-and-down movement if you've done it right, but if it does, just follow normal wheel truing procedures (can't be arsed to explain right now, might make a topic on truing wheels at some point)

Step 6
Stick your rim-tape, tube and tyre on then give it a gentle ride. It will creak and groan a bit while the spoke bed in...
...When you get home check round and tighten any loose spokes.
You may have to do this for the first 2 or 3 rides after a new build, but after it's bedded in theres very little maintenance.

Sam's tip
Don't cross the spokes over the valve hole, leave the parallel gap between the spokes here, then it makes it much easier to get the pump onto your valve

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 03:41 PM

I find it helpful to give the hub a good smacking and jiggling once you've put the first set of spokes in each side and then again once you've put them all in as it helps to seat the nipples in the nipple-holes(?) before you start tensioning.

some things you havent mentioned include the need for a large mug of tea/coffee, some light snacks and a fairly long film to keep you entertained for the three hours youll be sat there the first time you attempt it.


oh, if brakeless and assuming you've managed to get the hub in the middle of the wheel you can ignore the trueing part (I've been 6 months on my first ever build without going near it with a spoke key and it still turns round)
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 03:48 PM

poopipe, on Feb 13 2008, 05:41 PM, said:

I find it helpful to give the hub a good smacking and jiggling once you've put the first set of spokes in each side and then again once you've put them all in as it helps to seat the nipples in the nipple-holes(?) before you start tensioning.
Yeah, thanks. I forgot to mention: I twist the hub both directions, then i push it backwards and forwards to help seat the nipples into the rim.

poopipe, on Feb 13 2008, 05:41 PM, said:

some things you havent mentioned include the need for a large mug of tea/coffee, some light snacks and a fairly long film to keep you entertained for the three hours youll be sat there the first time you attempt it.
It only takes me 20 minutes now you get much faster with practise.

poopipe, on Feb 13 2008, 05:41 PM, said:

oh, if brakeless and assuming you've managed to get the hub in the middle of the wheel you can ignore the trueing part (I've been 6 months on my first ever build without going near it with a spoke key and it still turns round)
I'd always recomend running a true wheel, but if you're brakeless and not too worried, do whatever you want to do really!

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 04:31 PM

Nice one dude - might need to look at this again in the near future

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 08:47 PM

Your leg must be making you sooo bored, you spent alot of time there

But it is a good description, really useful! Might give it a go following it tomorow, did you bother greasing the nipples ? there alloy aint they ? Might have problems

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samdoman, on Jan 20 2008, 10:41 PM, said:

NB: this has been drastically simplified dor the benifit of Benleacock

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:04 PM

Yep, if you reead it I used purple grease

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:22 PM

samdoman, on Feb 13 2008, 11:04 PM, said:

Yep, if you reead it I used purle grease
Didn't see that, whats the advantage of purle grease  ?

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samdoman, on Jan 20 2008, 10:41 PM, said:

NB: this has been drastically simplified dor the benifit of Benleacock

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 10:15 PM

it's purple - what more could you want ?
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 10:20 PM

purple grease is just the grease all bike shops use, dunno why. It's pefect consistency for bearings and stuff too.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 05:42 PM

samdoman, on Feb 13 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

Don't cross the spokes over the valve hole, leave the parallel gap between the spokes here, then it makes it much easier to get the pump onto your valve

With bmx rims the first spoke should always go to the left of the valve hole first! This and turning the hub away from the valve hole gives more space. But as it goes, 36h is spaced out enough already so it wouldn't make much difference.

Personnally i never use grease just because it's messy and a pain to sort out. I use decent alloy nipples and a Park/ Ice tools spoke key. I've found Prolite spokes and Nipples to be the best yet. They're cheap and don't flex very much at all. The double butted spokes available like Mutiny are produced in the same factory as Prolite by the way. Or at least i'm pretty sure of it.

I also tighten my spokes up all the way upto nipple and spoke snapping territory. I like my wheels stiff as i run softer tyres. This is what works for me. Some people may disagree like Samdoman but that's probably 'cause he has more than 60psi in his tyres. I think i should add that i'm also a ramp rider.
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 06:15 AM

i just built my wheel ive being using the gsport method build your hub up with half the 36 spokes keep them streight twist the rim and then cross under pretty simple     and i follow all tips including having a massive mug off tea  and my bitch....lass bmxer ....bringing me nibbles lol
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 01:50 PM

Not the best way for building bmx wheels, getting the second side of spokes through is a real pain. Not meaning to piss on your fire but if anyone is using coloured spokes and/or an anodised rim I wouldn't use this method, you'll risk scratching yours spokes and/or rim when building.
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 04:07 PM

TheMunn..., on Oct 26 2008, 01:50 PM, said:

Not the best way for building bmx wheels, getting the second side of spokes through is a real pain. Not meaning to piss on your fire but if anyone is using coloured spokes and/or an anodised rim I wouldn't use this method, you'll risk scratching yours spokes and/or rim when building.

What he said, the way i do the 1st step is i drop the 1st 9 spokes (on 36h build) into the top flange so they are hanging down off the top edge, and then thread the spokes into the rim, i then turn the wheel over, and drop the next 9 spokes into the flange on the other side, thus making it easier to cross the spokes in as they are going towards the outside of the wheel as opposed to the inside, therefore reducing the risk of scratching your rim in the later steps.

And in the past i have used old spokes loads of times, it doesn't weaken it that much. I've used old spokes on trials wheel builds and my latest 26" park wheel is run on old spokes and is solid as a rock

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 06:01 PM

Alanhutchinson, on Oct 26 2008, 04:07 PM, said:

What he said, the way i do the 1st step is i drop the 1st 9 spokes (on 36h build) into the top flange so they are hanging down off the top edge, and then thread the spokes into the rim, i then turn the wheel over, and drop the next 9 spokes into the flange on the other side, thus making it easier to cross the spokes in as they are going towards the outside of the wheel as opposed to the inside, therefore reducing the risk of scratching your rim in the later steps.

And in the past i have used old spokes loads of times, it doesn't weaken it that much. I've used old spokes on trials wheel builds and my latest 26" park wheel is run on old spokes and is solid as a rock

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 06:01 PM

Alanhutchinson, on Oct 26 2008, 04:07 PM, said:

What he said, the way i do the 1st step is i drop the 1st 9 spokes (on 36h build) into the top flange so they are hanging down off the top edge, and then thread the spokes into the rim, i then turn the wheel over, and drop the next 9 spokes into the flange on the other side, thus making it easier to cross the spokes in as they are going towards the outside of the wheel as opposed to the inside, therefore reducing the risk of scratching your rim in the later steps.

And in the past i have used old spokes loads of times, it doesn't weaken it that much. I've used old spokes on trials wheel builds and my latest 26" park wheel is run on old spokes and is solid as a rock

Bang on, I just couldn't be bothered to explain it earlier.

Edited by TheMunn..., 26 October 2008 - 06:02 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 01:24 PM

Alanhutchinson, on Oct 26 2008, 04:07 PM, said:

And in the past i have used old spokes loads of times, it doesn't weaken it that much. I've used old spokes on trials wheel builds and my latest 26" park wheel is run on old spokes and is solid as a rock

I will add that patience is the key. I recently de-built my rear bmx wheel. It was 36h 4x with Ti spokes. I reused them on my front trials wheel. This was 20" 28h 3x Disk and had alloy nipples. I took the time to grease the nipples and lace the wheel. I was so slow on tensioning the spokes too. The wheel creaks sometimes which isn't surprising. I only use a 160mm but i think if to much power went through it, it would probably explode the wheel.
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Posted 06 January 2009 - 03:35 PM

samdoman, on Feb 13 2008, 10:20 PM, said:

purple grease is just the grease all bike shops use, dunno why. It's pefect consistency for bearings and stuff too.

  i think it might be different in wales because iv never seen a shop use purple greese they always use red

saying that iv only used it once

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    Posted 06 January 2009 - 04:22 PM

    i work in 2 shops and we use red grease..........................................................................
    .........in all fairness who cares? as long as its quality grease who give a shat.
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    Posted 06 January 2009 - 05:25 PM

    i know what you mean i was just pointing it out because i use 5 different shops and hav onlyy seen puple greese when i borrowed some from a m8
    £100 ses you cant pull a 360 into that skip.
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    Posted 03 February 2009 - 03:06 PM

    yo guys right i just bought a Shadow Rant v2 Hub and one side fo the hub larger than the other will it be different or harder to build this wheel because the spokes are different lengths?

    (Shadow Rant V2 Hub, Odyssey Hazard Lite, Odyssey Spokes)

    poopipe, on Jan 31 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

    eskimoo - stainless nips are standard on the odyssey wheelbuild, it has their "magic" spokes as well

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